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Some of you folks here are so pitiful. How dare any of you blame me, or anyone on my team, for your rebellion against God! Most of you have been on that track for a long time, way before my team and I came along here. You have no one to blame but yourselves, and your own pride and sin of unbelief.

If anything, what we have shared here has made all of you even more accountable for the truth. When are you each going to start taking responsibility for your own actions, instead of trying to blame others for what is a sin in your own hearts? If the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ offends you, then let it offend you! We offer no apologies. We have more than delivered our souls here.

Your name-calling and false accusations are infantile at best. They are a weak attempt to conceal your own rebellion against God.

SciFi's Legend of EARTHSEA

Sorcery??? Truly sad the things that they have been promoting in so-called "Christian" America . . . but it draws in the crowds, raising the ratings, and makes the profits, doesn't it; and money and materialism is America's true god. That is the god in which many of them trust; not to mention their own military might.

What does the Bible say about witchcraft and sorcery? King Saul and his sons were slain in battle the very next day after going to the witch of Endor, which was prohibited by the Mosaic Law.

"Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God." Leviticus 19:31, KJV

"And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and after wizards, to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people." Leviticus 20:6, KJV

"There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer." Deuteronomy 18:10-11, KJV

"And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom: also he observed times, and used enchantments, and used witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards: he wrought much evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger." 2 Chronicles 33:6, KJV

"And he made his son pass through the fire, and observed times, and used enchantments, and dealt with familiar spirits and wizards: he wrought much wickedness in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger." 2 Kings 21:6, KJV

"Moreover the workers with familiar spirits, and the wizards, and the images, and the idols, and all the abominations that were spied in the land of Judah and in Jerusalem, did Josiah put away, that he might perform the words of the law which were written in the book that Hilkiah the priest found in the house of the LORD." 2 Kings 23:24, KJV

"And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?" Isaiah 8:19, KJV

"And the spirit of Egypt shall fail in the midst thereof; and I will destroy the counsel thereof: and they shall seek to the idols, and to the charmers, and to them that have familiar spirits, and to the wizards." Isaiah 19:3, KJV

"But these two things shall come to thee in a moment in one day, the loss of children, and widowhood: they shall come upon thee in their perfection for the multitude of thy sorceries, and for the great abundance of thine enchantments . . . Stand now with thine enchantments, and with the multitude of thy sorceries, wherein thou hast laboured from thy youth; if so be thou shalt be able to profit, if so be thou mayest prevail. Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee." Isaiah 47:9, 12-13, KJV

"Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." Galatians 5:19-21, KJV

"Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts." Revelation 9:21, KJV

"And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived." Revelation 18:23, KJV

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The Bible teaches us to flee from the works of darkness,
yet Americans are being drawn into it by the droves. Oh
backslidden children! Why have you forsaken your God???
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"But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness." 1 Timothy 6:11, KJV

"Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart." 2 Timothy 2:22, KJV

"Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you." James 4:7, KJV

"Neither give place to the devil." Ephesians 4:27, KJV

"And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved." John 3:19-20, KJV

"They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course." Psalms 82:5, KJV

"The way of the wicked is as darkness: they know not at what they stumble." Proverbs 4:19, KJV

"The wise man's eyes are in his head; but the fool walketh in darkness: and I myself perceived also that one event happeneth to them all." Ecclesiastes 2:14, KJV

"There is no darkness, nor shadow of death, where the workers of iniquity may hide themselves." Job 34:22, KJV

"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" Isaiah 5:20, KJV

"Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world." 1 John 4:4, KJV

"To deliver thee from the way of the evil man, from the man that speaketh froward things; Who leave the paths of uprightness, to walk in the ways of darkness; Who rejoice to do evil, and delight in the frowardness of the wicked; Whose ways are crooked, and they froward in their paths:" Proverbs 2:12-15, KJV

"The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light." Romans 13:12, KJV

"For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ." 2 Corinthians 4:6, KJV

"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?" 2 Corinthians 6:14, KJV

"For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light . . . And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them." Ephesians 5:8, 11, KJV

"Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:" Colossians 1:13, KJV

"But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness." 1 Thessalonians 5:4-5, KJV

"But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:" 1 Peter 2:9, KJV

"If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:" 1 John 1:6, KJV

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Howard,

A small word of advice if I may:

Don't waste your time responding to, or debating with, Carl. His obvious tactic in all of these threads I and my companions have been involved in, is to merely argue for the sake of argument alone. He loves to try to string people along with his idiocies, and they are indeed many; and as you have said, a real waste of space. I, for the most part, ignore them, and rarely respond to them. You would be wise to do the same. Trust me; no matter what you say in defense of our faith, like some others here, Carl will find something wrong with it; because as I said, he just wants to argue, regardless of whether or not what he is saying is coherent thought.

Posted: 21 Nov 2004 21:41:46 UTC

"But it sucks that heaven is full of them"

Another moronic, false statement which displays extreme ignorance of Biblical truth. The Bible makes it very plain that there are no practicing pedophiles, gays, lesbians, murderers, whoremongers, liars, drunks, thieves, etc., in Heaven. None!

Some of you people repeatedly accuse us Christians of being self-righteous, while you are totally blind to your own self-righteousness. In your vain attempt to point the finger at, accuse and condemn others, you utterly fail to comprehend the Grace, Mercy, Forgiveness and Salvation of God, which is extended to all men through Jesus Christ, when we truly, honestly, and sincerely repent of our sins.

King David was a murderer and adulterer, yet found forgiveness. Read Psalm 51.

The Apostle Paul persecuted and killed the First Century Christians, but experienced great repentance after God seriously dealt with him on the road to Damascus; and he became a great Apostle of the First Century.

Many are the examples of men and women down through history who have fallen deep into sin, only to finally find Grace in God's sight after experiencing sincere repentance. Consider the story of the author of the much loved "Amazing Grace". He was a slave trader of all things!

It is a fact that until one has experienced God's Mercy, Grace and Compassion in his or her own life, it is very hard to practice those same virtues with others. Until we recognize our own fallen, dismal, sinful condition, and our need for forgiveness and a Savior, it is so, so easy for us to self-righteously point the finger at others, and delude ourselves into thinking that we are much better than they.

Maybe none of you here are pedophiles, but you most definitely have other sins; and as Jesus said:

". . . He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." John 8:7b, KJV

God will only be as merciful to us, as we are merciful to others:

"For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses." Matthew 6:14-15, KJV

That is Scriptural truth for those who have an ear to hear.

Posted: 21 Nov 2004 20:51:46 UTC

"Unfortunately the bibble is of any help here...Most of those who have read it too often became pedophile"

That is an absolute lie, and shame on you for even saying it! "Most of those"? Absolutely not true! More like a certain minority who belong to certain religions like the RCC! There are millions of God-fearing Christians around the world who are not pedophiles, and who are in fact upright, law-abiding citizens! "Too often"? Another lie!

That is the problem with some of you folks here; you like to paint our Christian faith with a broad brush; and this is not only unfair, but it is downright wrong! You can't blame all of the members of a particular faith for something of which only a small minority are guilty. But I fully understand why some of you do this. It is because that is the only way that you can try to justify your own wayward positions.

Posted: 21 Nov 2004 20:28:50 UTC

Hello Again,

It is obvious from reading the posts here, that all of you have a lot of rage against pedophiles, (and rightly so), and that you particularly have a grudge against the Roman Catholic Church, due to the numerous pedophile scandals which have marred its reputation in recent years.

As many of you undoubtedly realize, insofar as the RCC, (Roman Catholic Church), is concerned, the problem of pedophilia is one of their own making, due to the requirement they have made upon their priesthood to not marry.

What some of you may not know, and may even find surprising, is that almost 2,000 years ago, the Apostle Paul prophesied of this very condition in the Endtime church. As much as some of you here don't like me quoting the Bible, I think that you will find the following interesting. Please note that when Paul says "depart from the faith", he is referring to the Christian faith, which he and the brethren he is writing to, (Timothy in particular), have embraced:

"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer." 1 Timothy 4:1-5, KJV

The phrase "latter times" is referring to the Last Days, the Last Times, the Endtime; the time in which many Christians believe we are now living.

So look at what Paul says is going to happen during this time. He provides us with some very descriptive phrases:

1. "Some shall depart from the faith" - True indeed! Many people have fallen away from our Christian heritage, even in the so-called "Christian" USA.

Paul said this very same thing in his first letter/epistle to the brethren at Thessalonika. In that letter, he was also discussing the Endtime, and how men would fall away from the faith, just prior to the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. He also spoke of the rise of the Antichrist just prior to Christ's Return. Paul said in part:

"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day [Christ's Return] shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;" 2 Thessalonians 2:3, KJV

2. "giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils" - This is very, very true. There are so many weird, unbiblical doctrines being preached in many churches today, not to mention in Christian cults, it is ridiculous, not to mention sad. I discuss a number of these in some of my articles.

3. "Speaking lies in hypocrisy" - Again, very true indeed! So many churches today preach one thing, and then do another. For example, as we have already discussed, the RCC preaches the Word of God, and then turns around and purposely conceals the sins of those who break it. They say one thing, and do another. As I have pointed out before, Jesus accused the self-righteous, hypocritical Scribes and Pharisees of doing the very same thing; but Paul is talking about the Endtime Church here, and not 2,000 years ago!

Why do they do these things? Paul tells us in the very next phrase:

4. "having their conscience seared with a hot iron" - In other words, Paul is referring to cauterization, where hot metal is used to cleanse a wound in order to avoid infection, stop the bleeding, and thus cause it to heal more quickly. The end result though, as I point out in my articles, is that the nerve endings are killed. They become dead/numb, so that the person can no longer feel anything in that area of their body. Many modern churches, religionists and other people are the very same way. They live deep in sin, but they have hardened their hearts so much, that they can't even sense the Voice of God's Spirit trying to convict them to do right. Isn't this what we see happening in the RCC, where instead of exposing the sin of pedophilia, they try to hide it from public view, and just keep moving these pedophile priests from parrish to parrish where no one knows of them or their sin?

And then Paul gets more specific and mentions a few of the "doctrines of devils" he is referring to.

5. "Forbidding to marry" - That is precisely one of the main reasons why the sin of pedophilia exists in churches like the RCC today. They have prohibited their priests from marrying, many of whom are in their prime of life, when their biological urge/need for sex is the greatest, yet they are forced to supress it; but many can only do that for so long; and then they start turning to other means in order to satisfy the needs of their flesh . . . like pedophilia. Now, please understand that the Bible does say that a single man can more easily devote his time and attention to doing the Lord's Work, because he doesn't have to be concerned with the worldly cares of having a wife and children, but to my knowledge it does not make this a mandatory requirement for being a Disciple of Jesus Christ. Paul himself was single, and encouraged others to follow his example, but he did not enforce it, unlike the Roman Catholic Church today.

6. "commanding to abstain from meats" - In the original Greek, that word "meats" does not necessarily mean "meat" as we understand it today; it means food in general. But again, what Paul has prophesied here has indeed come true. While I was growing up as a young Catholic, as many of you will know, we were not supposed to eat meat on Fridays. An even more glaring example are the Seventh Day Adventists. While I don't know if refraining from eating meat is absolutely mandatory within their faith, I do know that it is strongly encouraged. Due to my daughter's diabetes, we have dealt with the SDA clinic here for the past three years, so I know what I am talking about. They also run a vegetarian restaurant about five miles away from our home.

But folks, isn't it amazing that Paul foresaw all of this happening almost 2,000 years ago? Sad, but true.

So again, it is because they have gone against the Scriptures, that the RCC has this serious problem with pedophilia now; and I seriously doubt that they are the only ones.

You know, while our Christian faith condemns things like pedophilia and homosexuality, the true holy book of Orthodox Jews, the Talmud, goes to the exact opposite extreme. Again, this is something which I discuss in a few of my articles. You won't find this in a sanitized English translation of the Talmud, but the truth of the matter is that the rabbis who wrote the side notes and comments in the Talmud, condoned sex with minors, among other things. Consider the following examples:

Sanhedrin 55b . A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three years "and a day" old).

Sanhedrin 54b . A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old.

Kethuboth 11b . "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing."

All of this aside, while a lot of rage has been vented against pedophiles, we need to focus on the real problem, which I noted in the post which started this thread: the governments and adults who manipulate these children to do what they do.

Posted: 21 Nov 2004 8:51:43 UTC

Sadly, there are in fact many false shepherds in the world today. Read Ezekiel chapter 34 in its entirety.

God will severely judge those who claim to represent Him, and then turn around and fleece His sheep for their own profit, whether it is economical, sexual, or whatever. The Bible strongly condemns these kinds of false shepherds in both the Old Testament and in the New Testament, and I have written plenty about it in my articles as well. As I have repeatedly said on this messageboard, I am not a fan of organized religion by any means. I left it years ago.

Nevertheless, the big mistake that many people have made in these threads, is that because organized religion has failed, they take it out on God, and claim that He has failed, or that He doesn't even exist.

What you all need to stop doing, is equating God with organized religion, because it isn't necessarily so. The Scribes and the Pharisees did the very same thing in Jesus' day. They claimed to be God's authority upon Earth, and look at how Jesus exposed them; and that is one of the primary reasons why they wanted Him dead; because He thoroughly exposed their hypocrisy.

As Jesus said in John chapter fifteen:

"If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin." John 15:22, KJV

He also said:

". . . The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not." Matthew 23:2-3, KJV

So they used the Romans to crucify Him, based upon trumped up charges of treason.

Posted: 21 Nov 2004 1:49:42 UTC

from the thread... ‘Religious Thread [3]’ (note... this is not complete)

Posted: 3 Dec 2004 3:47:34 UTC

Gay and lesbian priests, pastors and ministers are clearly contrary to God's Word, and they should all be ousted from the Body of Christ if they will not repent of their sins. They are an ugly blemish on the Bride of Christ! Gay and lesbian relationships are sick and unnatural, and are not according to God's Original Plan for humankind. They are an aberration from the norm designed by God. Anyone who accepts them, supports them, or promotes them, is deceived and fighting against God.


"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is
abomination. Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile
thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a
beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion. Defile not ye
yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the
nations are defiled which I cast out before you: And the
land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof
upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.
Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and
shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of
your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you:
(For all these abominations have the men of the land done,
which were before you, and the land is defiled;) That the
land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued
out the nations that were before you. For whosoever shall
commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit
them shall be cut off from among their people. Therefore
shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of
these abominable customs, which were committed before you,
and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am the LORD
your God."
Leviticus 18:22-30, KJV

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman,
both of them have committed an abomination: they shall
surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
Leviticus 20:13, KJV

"The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man,
neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that
do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God."
Deuteronomy 22:5, KJV

"There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a
sodomite of the sons of Israel."
Deuteronomy 23:17, KJV

"Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the
lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies
between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie,
and worshipped and served the creature more than the
Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God
gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did
change the natural use into that which is against nature:
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the
woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men
working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves
that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as
they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave
them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are
not convenient;"
Romans 1:24-28, KJV

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the
kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor
idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of
themselves with mankind [homosexuals],"
1 Corinthians 6:9, KJV

"Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man,
but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for
sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers
and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers,
for them that defile themselves with mankind, [homosexuals]
for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if
there be any other thing that is contrary to sound
doctrine;"
1 Timothy 1:9-10, KJV

"And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes
condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample
unto those that after should live ungodly;"
2 Peter 2:6, KJV

"Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in
like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and
going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example,
suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."
Jude 1:7, KJV

Posted: 1 Dec 2004 1:58:16 UTC

Give me some time to finish up the new series I've been working on, and a few other projects, and I will try to get back with you on this thread. It is hard for me to divide my time between this board, and still get a lot of work accomplished.

Thanks!

Wordweaver, stop saying that other beliefs are wrong and yours are the only ones that are right or acceptable .

Mine? God stated it, Henry, not me. I am just repeating what Jesus Himself has plainly taught us in the Bible. Your quarrel is not really with me Henry; it is with Jesus who plainly said:

". . . I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6b, KJV

That's not me talking there, Henry; it's Jesus. He says that He is the only way to the Father, not me. He is the one who says that all other religions are not acceptable. He is the one who says that all other religions are wrong. Jesus says that He is the only Way to Salvation. Either you believe what Jesus said and taught, or else you don't; and if you don't, that makes you wrong. If that truth offends you, or makes you feel insulted, then deal with it. You are the one who is in rebellion against God.

If you think that, keep it to yourself.

As I already told you in the other thread, this is a free, open, international messageboard where all views and opinions can be shared, regardless of how they are viewed or received by others.

There are no moderators here, Henry. That means that you are in absolutely no position to tell me what I can or cannot say here. Get used to it.

Also, don't say specific things about other people's belief that might be insulting to them.

Again Henry, you don't dictate what can, or cannot, be said here. The fact that some people, such as yourself, are offended or insulted by the Gospel of Jesus Christ is unavoidable, because the world is full of sin and rebellion against God, and His appointed means of Salvation through Christ.

Some people need to be offended, so that they will wake up out of their spiritual lethargy and deception, repent, and embrace Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.

In addition, stop basing all of your responses thinking everybody is christian and that their beliefs must be based on christianity.

Silly remark. If I thought that everyone here was Christian, then there would not even be any need for me to share my faith here, now would there?

And again, whether you like to hear it or not, That "must" was determined by God, and not by me. I am merely one of His many messengers.

Dangerous? Could you elaborate?

I already did in the rest of my response that followed.

To the best of my knowledge? Not that I'm aware of.

Perhaps you already understood this from reading the rest of my post, but the primary reason why it does conflict with Christianity, is because Buddhism points to self, and good works, as the means to attain Salvation, enlightenment, or whatever you wish to call it, while Christianity teaches us that Salvation can never come through self, but only by God through the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

No, what I'm saying is that the Buddhist philosophies can coexist with other religions because Buddhism is about attaining Enlightenment and the reduction of Desire, whereas Christianity is about attaining Salvation and the reduction of Sin.

Ah yes, that New Age buzz word "enlightenment". But is New Age enlightenment truly enlightenment if it is not pointing to the true Light of the World, Jesus Christ? In fact, if Buddhism does not point to Jesus Christ as God's only solution to sin for mankind, is it not in fact not enlightenment whatsoever, but in fact spiritual darkness feigning to be the light? Furthermore, if Buddhism is really full of spiritual darkness, are not those who promote it in reality false angels of light?

Of course, I am being rhetorical here, because I already know what the Bible says about such things, and I am convinced that this is indeed the case. Consider this:

"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" Isaiah 5:20, KJV

"For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works." 2 Corinthians 11:13-15, KJV

Because the Dalai Lama and other Buddhists reject the Salvation which comes through Jesus Christ alone, and because they do not point people to Christ, they are in fact false angels of light, who preach a false salvation, and a false enlightenment, which they claim comes through the gradual improvement/perfection of self. Again, this is totally contrary to the Scriptures, which state:

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:8-9, KJV

In this case, we can interpret "works" as meaning the belief in reincarnation, and the gradual improvement of self over the course of a number of lifetimes, which again, is totally contrary to the Scriptures, as I have already shown.

That's like saying "If you're against the war then you're a terrorist".

I find that an extremely poor comparison. How can you possibly compare the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ to that? As I have stated before, there are no neutrals. When it comes to Jesus Christ, you cannot be hanging on the fence in indecision.

So what? I could fire away at the Gospel detailing how it too is built upon half-truths and flat-out lies.

You mean that you could attempt to prove it. There is a big difference there. :)

What difference does it make? You get your Salvation, I get my Enlightenment, and somewhere out there someone is getting his 72 virgins - Each to his own respective Valhalla.

Sorry, but that isn't what God's Word says. God has laid out the Plan of Salvation, and there is only one. Jesus plainly stated in John chapter ten that to try to get in any other way is to be a thief and a robber. You may also recall the Parable where a certain man tried to get into the marriage feast wearing the wrong garment, (alternative belief system we can say here), and he was cast out.

I see what you were so ticked off about now.

I am not ticked off by any means; just discussing, and pointing out the errors in Buddhism, and in your own reasoning.

To a certain degree, they are both right.

I strongly disagree.

In Christianity, the end is for the Soul to join previous Souls in the sky. The only difference between the two is that in Buddhism the Soul outlives various vessels on its way to the higher plane, whereas in Christianity the Soul ascends (or not) when the flesh fails.

You are still failing to grasp the pivotal difference between Buddhism and Christianity, and for that matter, the difference between any other false religion in the world and Christianity.

Buddhism clearly teaches that Salvation/Nirvana, whatever you wish to call it, comes through the improvement of self. It claims that we can achieve Salvation on our own merits through human perfection. This is not what Christianity teaches. It says that we are hopelessly lost in sin, and that only faith in the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ leads to Forgiveness and Salvation.

If you view "life" in terms of the body, then there is no conflict. If you view the "life" in terms of the soul, then the time it is spent in corporeal form (when body and soul are one) is a sort of Purgatory.

You are still missing the primary difference. We cannot save ourselves through self improvement, no matter how many times we live, which, as I have already stated, is a lie anyway. We have one life to live, and that is it.

As Paul tells us, if we are truly capable of saving ourselves through our own good works, (such as through observing the mandates of the Mosaic Law for example), then Christ died in vain:

"I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain." Galatians 2:21, KJV

There can be no meeting of the ways between Christianity and Buddhism, no matter how much Buddhists preach love, peace, mercy, compassion and forgiveness, as long as Buddhists reject the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ as God's appointed means of Atonement. Self-improvement simply does not meet God's Standard; nor does it meet the stringent requirements for the Atonement of sin.

Reconciliation with God requires the Blood of Jesus Christ, as was foreshadowed in the temple sacrifices of the Old Testament period. Jesus became the final Sacrificial Lamb of God, as I clearly explain in some of my articles.

What I meant was his my religion is right, everyone else is wrong and will burn in the flames of hell attitude.

When are some of you folks going to get the point that this isn't just about my religion. Jesus didn't die for just me, He died for all of us, because we are all sinners. He made the Universal Atonement for all men everywhere in every land.

It is not about me being right or wrong. I am only human, and of course I can be right or wrong about some things; but the central issue here is the truthfulness of God's Word. God is right, and if His Word says it, then it is right. We Christians merely quote it in order to share it with others.

Saying that he is right and everyone else is wrong is (to me at least) the very height of arrogance

What you are really saying is that God is not right. You are saying that God is arrogant, because He is the one who devised the Plan of Salvation. He is the one who put it into motion. He is the one who chose to accept the Sacrifice of His Son as the only Atonement for our sins. As I have said many times before, your argument is not truly with me, it is with God. Be honest about it!

I have absolutely no problems with most of the stuff in the bible, I just don't believe it is any more or less relevent than any other holy book.

You consider the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ unnecessary and irrelevant??? Congratulations! You are a perfect candidate for New Age thought and a One World Religion where all spiritual masters are placed on a level playing field, including Jesus Christ. What a deception!

My problem is with the people who twist the bible's teachings beyond recognition, or use it to justify hate.

Personally, I don't promote hate, but I do promote faith and trust in Jesus Christ as the only way to obtain Salvation. As I have already pointed out, the fact that many people here reject that message, does in fact cause them to hate me and my companions. They accuse us of the same thing of which they themselves are guilty. If you doubt this, just read through all of the various threads in which we have been involved over the past seven weeks. You will find plenty of hate directed towards us.

Accusing us of being promoters of hate and intolerance, or of being arrogant, or anything else, are just cop-outs, and lame excuses being used by the people here who reject the Salvation message.

That said, I do consider all forms of fundamentalist religion to be the cancer of this small planet, a cancer that needs to be cut out once and for all.

And exactly how do you intend to achieve this goal of cutting it out once and for all? You folks talk all about tolerance here, but I certainly don't see it being reflected in your above remark. It seems to me that you are rather intolerant of anyone who holds strongly to a belief which you disagree with, and quickly resort to referring to it as fundamentalist. Of course, given your previous remarks, I can certainly see where you are coming from. You will definitely be one to welcome a One World Religion . . . but at what price?

But I see from your posts that only those who accept and follow the Way of Christ are accepted by you as Men Worthy of Mention.

You stand to be corrected. Not accepted by me, but rather accepted by God. As I have made abundantly clear here several times now, it is God Himself who devised the Plan of Salvation. I didn't design it or initiate it; God did. He named the price for Universal Reconciliation and Atonement, and Jesus willingly paid it for us all. I just pass that message along; nothing more.

One of the great things about Buddhism is its lack of conflict with any known religion. It does not deny God, nor Saints, nor miracles. In fact, any religion (even animism) can coexist in tandem with Buddhism without demanding or imposing any obligation upon the original theology, be it Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Shinto, Baha'i, etc..

That is a very dangerous, deceptive and false, statement to make. At the very least, it shows that you are not well-informed. Buddhism doesn't conflict with any known religion, not even Christianity? Are you saying then that Lhamo Dhondup/Jamphel Ngawang Lobsang Yeshe Tenzin Gyatso, (the 14th Dalai Lama), accepts that Jesus Christ is the only way to Salvation and Eternal Life, and that he believes that he too must accept Jesus Christ as a condition for the forgiveness of his sins? I don't think so. To say that Buddhism tolerates Christian beliefs is one thing, but to claim that it doesn't conflict with Christian doctrine is quite another. As Jesus stated:

"He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad." Matthew 12:30, KJV

the current reincarnation of the Buddha

Utterly false. Reincarnation is not only a lie, but it is a deceptive belief which is based upon doing good works through the course of different lives, which is totally contrary to Christian doctrine. We each only get one life to live, during which time we must make the right choice to accept Jesus Christ. As Paul wrote:

"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:" Hebrews 9:27, KJV

That seems like a clear conflict between Christianity and Buddhism. One says one life, while the other claims many lives. They both can't be right.

we are equally strong willed.

Sad, but true; but God can break even the hardest heart. Sometimes, however, it takes personal tragedy to bring us to that point. Only then are we sufficiently humbled in His sight, to where we finally become receptive to the Gospel of Salvation. Few, if any, here, have reached that point.

I do not view the Christian Word as trash, and I don't think anyone else here does.

My mouth dropped with that remark. Either we are reading different messageboards, or else you are wearing some very rose-colored glasses. Some of the things which have been stated in these threads concerning our Christian faith during the past month, (or longer actually), have been extremely vulgar, disrespectful, and downright ugly.

Like it or not, this is an international board for an international project.

Never once have I stated that the international nature of this board is a problem for me. In fact, so much the better, because it allows us to spread the Christian Gospel even further; and there are many, many people who visit this board, who are lost without Christ in their lives.

All of your posts are arrogant and condecending.

Why? Because I dare to be so bold so as to share the Message of God's Love with the lost and dying world? You and others here have repeatedly accused me, and falsely so, of being arrogant and condescending, simply because I am not afraid to tell you the truth. I have no fear of what you folks think of me. I am willing to be made a fool for Christ's sake. I am willing to be of no reputation, just as Jesus was.

True arrogance and condescension on my part, would be if I were to promote myself as being better than everyone else here. I have never done that in any of my posts. On more than one occasion, I have made it clear that I am just as much a sinner as everyone else here. We are all born with a sinful nature. I am no exception. I need to rely upon the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ just as much as the next person. I am not, and have never claimed, to be a Saint.

This constant accusation of being arrogant and condescending is just another red herring, and a lame excuse, which some people, like you, are using here, in order to try to resist the truth of God's Word. As I have said repeatedly, none of you can refute the Central Truth of God's Word; that is, the atoning role of Jesus Christ in God's Plan of Salvation; so, since you cannot refute the message, you resort to attacking and trying to discredit the messenger with your false accusations. You can continue to attack me and accuse me all you want; but it still doesn't change the truthfulness of the message one bit.

If you disagree with Buddhist philosophy, thats fine, but don't pollute our boards with your garbage.

How truly sad that you view the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ as garbage. I hope that some day you come to your senses.

WordWeaver, this is an international board, please do not insult other religion.

If people of other religions are insulted because we share the Gospel of Jesus Christ here, then the problem is with them, and not with us. We are merely the messengers; nothing more. If they are insulted, then they are insulted by the truth revealed in God's Word, and their issue is with God, and not with us.

Nobody likes to be told that they are following a false belief system. It upsets them. It angers them. It makes them want to turn on the person(s) who are exposing their false belief system. That is precisely what has been happening here.

Whether one is a scientist, atheist, agnostic, or of some other religious belief system, they take offense at the Gospel of Jesus Christ; but, is that not what Jesus Himself said would happen in the Endtime? He very plainly stated that we would be hated of all men, because we dare to proclaim the truth of Salvation through Jesus Christ alone:

"And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death. And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved." Matthew 10:21-22, KJV

"Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come." Matthew 24:9-14, KJV

"If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also. But all these things will they do unto you for my name’s sake, because they know not him that sent me." John 15:19-21, KJV

"Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution." 2 Timothy 3:12, KJV

That is the true Gospel of Jesus Christ, and not the socially-acceptable, non-offensive, popular gospel which is taught in so many lukewarm churches today. If a person truly preaches the Word of God, as we have done here, then we will suffer persecution of one form or another for it. If not, then we must be doing something wrong, because from the Prophets of the Old Testament, to Jesus Himself, to His First Century Apostles and Disciples, many of them were ridiculed, jailed, persecuted and killed for their faith.

So, as the Apostle Paul tells us, we should count it all joy when we suffer for the name of Jesus Christ.

So let the unbelieving world take offense at our words here; it matters not to us. Through your proud rejection of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, you are each slowly filling up your cup of iniquity, and you will be held accountable for every idle word you speak one of these days.

The true Gospel of Christ is an offensive Gospel to those who reject it, and who flee from its truth:

"For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil." John 3:17-19, KJV

Russia hints it may allow Dalai Lama's visit despite anger from China

Preaching love, patience, forgiveness, mercy and compassion, as the Dalai Lama does, is a wonderful thing; however, any religion which promotes these things, without pointing to the very same love, patience, forgiveness, mercy and compassion which God has manifested to us, through the Sacrifice of His Son, Jesus Christ, is an empty, false religion. It is a religion of self-righteous works, and the Bible makes it very clear that we cannot possibly save ourselves, no matter how good we may think we are. Salvation only comes through the Blood Atonement of Jesus Christ, who died for the sins of all men everywhere.

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:8-9, KJV

"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;" Titus 3:5, KJV

So neither New Age thought, nor any form of oriental religion or eastern meditation, such as Buddhism, can truly save us. Only Jesus can save us, because He alone paid the full price for our Salvation by exchanging His life for sin, in order that we might inherit Eternal Life.

Again, love, patience, forgiveness, mercy and compassion are wonderful, but they alone cannot save us. If that were enough, then as the Apostle Paul tells us, Jesus died in vain. Jesus died for us, because no other Sacrifice is acceptable to God the Father; not even our own good works.

As Jesus said:

". . . I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6b, KJV

Either you believe Jesus' words, or else you don't. There is no middle ground to choose here. As Jesus said:

"He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad." Matthew 12:30, KJV

Where do you stand??? Make your choice today!!!

Students Free to Thank Anybody, Except God

This article confirms exactly what I have been saying for years in such articles as "The Public School System And School Prayer". The public school system is quickly turning into an antichrist/atheist breeding ground through its selective, controlled, secular, humanist curriculum. Kids are being lied to, and are only being given half of the truth.

This article is another clear example of intentional historical revisionism by the atheist crowd. It also exposes those who are too weak to defend their historical Christian heritage. They are more concerned with political correctness, and holding on to their jobs, than in defending the truth. Truly sad!

1M Christians sign EU religion plea

More than a million people from all over Europe are to deliver a petition to Tony Blair and fellow EU leaders calling for changes to the constitution recognising Europe's Christian heritage...

As bad as things are getting in the USA insofar as Christianity is concerned, it is even worse in Europe; particularly in places like Germany and France; and even Great Britain is filled with a lot of dark weirdness.

The truth is, as I point out in some of my articles, the world is slowly being enveloped in spiritual darkness, in preparation for the ultimate arrival of its false savior.

The mention of Brussels in this article is of particular interest, because that is where the supercomputer is located, which serves as the hub for international banking . . . and they affectionately refer to it as "the beast" due to its size! This is fact, and not just fiction!

As some of you here may already know, there is the common belief held by some people, that the Beast and the Ten Horns will arise out of Europe. Personally, I am not fully convinced of this view, although I don't outright reject it either.

Declaration of Independence Banned at Calif School

So now these atheists and antichrists even wish to resort to historical revisionism by filtering out the truth, so that school-aged children aren't exposed to it??? Christianity is a historically-established part of America's heritage. They might as well get used to it!

I know about the discrepancies between cubits, but no construction takes place using multiple units unless you spend millions of dollars on a spacecraft for Mars.

I'm sorry, but whatever it is that you are trying to convey with that, is not clear to me.

The point was that God's Word said that Pi=3. No amount of regula falsi can correct it, and though it's a poetic verse, it's flat out wrong.

I think that you need to go back and re-read what I wrote in that post. Geometry does not teach that if you divide the circumference by the diameter, that you willl get the exact value of Pi; it teaches that you will get a number that is close to Pi. Based upon that, the verse is not wrong by any means, because the answer is three something. Besides, you are just nitpicking, and you darn well know it! There are more important things in the Bible besides nitpicking over Pi . . . like your Salvation through Jesus Christ, for example. That is the most important issue any of us will ever face, because it will affect us for eternity.

As I have said a number of times now, you guys like to debate over these secondary issues, in order to waste time, and avoid the major issues, like sin, repentance, belief and Salvation.

Posted: 22 Nov 2004 3:37:57 UTC

Crosses, statues, expensive fancy churches which hold thousands of members, etc.; is this really what God wants; or is it all for show and just vain lip service?

God wants our hearts most of all; and as Jesus said:

"This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me." Matthew 15:8, KJV

While Jesus was referring to the hypocritical Jewish religious elders of His own time, how easily His words can be applied to the world today as well, particularly to the USA!

Biblical references called inappropriate

Yet another confirmation that, with each passing year, the U.S.A. is becoming more and more antichrist, in spite of its claims of being a "Christian" nation.

Is it any wonder then that some people are convinced that George W. Bush, or someone who will follow him in the presidency, will be the Biblical first beast of Revelation chapter thirteen, who will eventually implement the Mark of the Beast/666 worldwide computerized credit system?

Or is it any wonder that some people also view the U.S.A. as being the mysterious, haughty Babylon the Great, who rides the Beast, and who commercially oppresses the world during the Endtime?

I am not saying that I personally accept these views, but the similarities are alarming.

[cough] ahem! [cough]

I Kings 7:23 ? 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751…

Some of you people amaze me with your ignorance. You boast of being so full of wisdom, logic, reason and intelligence, and then you turn around and make utter fools of yourselves.

Alright, let's see exactly what 1 Kings 7:23 says, shall we?:

"And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about." 1 Kings 7:23, KJV

What is being described here is the circular basin which King Hiram of Tyre made for the Temple of Solomon. We are given three dimensions:

1. diameter - 10 cubits
2. circumference - 30 cubits
3. height - 5 cubits

In the Bible, several different cubits are used. In the Middle East, depending on the culture, a cubit could range anywhere from about 17 inches to about 21 inches, with about 18 inches being the norm.

You argue that 1 Kings 7:23 is mathematically incorrect? Not so by any means!

Geometry teaches us that if you measure the distance around a circle, (the circumference), and divide it by the distance across the circle through the center, (the diameter), you will always come close to a particular value, depending upon the accuracy of your measurements. This value, as you have stated, is approximately 3.14159265358979323846..., and goes on to infinity, and is represented by the Greek letter Pi.

Thus, Pi is the ratio of the circumference of a circle to the diameter of the same. So then, for any circle, if you divide its circumference by its diameter, you will get a value which is close to Pi.

Now, unless you flunked basic math in elementary school, what we have is this:

C
--- = Pi
d

Oddly enough, (excuse my sarcasm), that gives us:

30
-- = Pi
10

3.x = Pi

Why the "x"? Quite simply because it depends on which cubit was used.

No matter how you look at it, that verse fully fits the formula, because we have indeed arrived at a value which is close to Pi.

I'll say it again:

It has been my personal experience over the years, that whenever there is something in the Bible which I don't understand, or which may appear to be a contradiction, the problem has always been a lack of a proper understanding on my part, for what is really being stated.

As I have said before, a lot of you folks read the Bible, not looking for the truth, but looking for errors; and so you find them in your own minds, even though they are really non-existent.

I have explained this verse to you, but don't expect me to continue to waste my time, allowing you to drag me through every so-called "discrepancy" you find in God's Word. If you folks want to really believe the "Encyclopedia Of Biblical Errancy", that is entirely up to you. Enjoy your delusion!

> I see where we have a great difference: you have chosen to ignore science in favor
> of your view of religion, while I have not (nor does my religion require me to do so).

Tom, that statement isn't exactly accurate. If you go back and read through some of my responses, you will see that I do not soundly reject all science. In fact, I make this rather clear in some of my articles. I agree with the sciences which explain the mechanical and biological nature of things, for example. Where I draw the line, is when God's Word says one thing, while science is saying something else. In other words, when there is a clear contradiction, such as in the case of evolution, I will place my faith in God's Word first.

> No amount of discussion of "science" will ever bring you to a differnt
> conclusion, and indeed, this is not a science thread, but a religion thread.

As I said, if it contradicts God's Word, then yes, you are correct.

You need to understand though, that there are a lot of scientific facts contained in the Bible. For example, the Book of Job plainly tells us that the Earth hangs on nothing in space. It even speaks of the "stellar tunnel" in the north, which science in fact now knows exists. Consider this:

"He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing." Job 26:7, KJV

That was written thousands of years ago, Tom, yet in times past, men insisted that the Earth was flat, or men believed that it was supported by tortoises. Why? God's Word never said that. His Word on the subject has been clear from the Beginning.

> So my next area of concern is perhaps more germane: Why should religion be
> interested in telling the story of creation? Is religion about history and
> physics or about spiritual development?

Why do you attempt to put God in a box of human making? He is the Creator of all things, and He is involved in all things As Paul tells us, all things exist through Him, and by Him, including ourselves, and without Him, there would not be anything:

"For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring." Acts 17:28, KJV

And there are many, many more verses on this topic which I have already shared in these three threads.

The Bible is not just a Book about spiritual issues, although, of course, sin, repentance and Salvation are its most important issues. It is also a history Book which deals with all major world empires of the past and future. It is also a science Book, because it tells how everything was made, and where we came from. It is also a prophetic Book because it prophesies of events of the future, and tells us where we are going if we believe. It is also a song and poetry Book. It is a Book of philosophy, such as in the Proverbs and Ecclesiastes. It has stories of romance, war, love, hate, treason, etc. The Bible is many things. To limit God's Word to being just one thing is to not realize its full importance as the most widely-read Book ever written or published.

In short, God is fully involved in every aspect of His Creation, and His Word tells us what we need to know, and not necessarily what we want to know. Some things will simply have to wait.

> And still you ignore my question.

Tom, the truth is, God has not left any clues whatsoever pointing to evolution. God would not say one thing in His Word, and then turn around and contradict Himself by leaving so-called "clues" which contradict what He has already clearly spoken in His Word. He is not the author of confusion. Satan is.

All of these so-called "clues" are in fact misinterpretations of the available data. In other words, those who refuse to accept the simple truth of God's Word have either intentionally, or erroneously, misinterpreted the data, and forced it to fit what they have already chosen to believe. People do it all the time.

If you already have pre-conceived ideas, then the results are going to be skewed and biased from the very start, regardless of what they really mean. A firm evolutionist is going to see evolution in every piece of "evidence" he looks at, even if it isn't really there. That is what finding the so-called "missing link" is all about. It is about trying to force fit a non-existent piece of the puzzle. But, I won't be surprised if someday they finally find it; not because it is real, but because they are so desperate to prove their theory.

Again, God is not going to say in His Word that He created us in His image on the Sixth Day, and then turn around and say, "Sorry, folks, but I was lying. You are really the result of the process of evolution. I was just testing you. Ha, ha!".

Tom, you either believe God's Word, or else you choose to believe man's word. Period. I have made my choice, as have most of the folks who have been participating in these threads.

I won't even get into the unreliability and inaccuracy of carbon 14 dating, because it is ridiculous. My gosh! They have found fossils that are older than the rocks they are embedded in. Rather odd if you ask me! They have also found that it doesn't take nearly as long for stalagmites and stalactites to form as they originally thought. They are finding all kinds of quirks in their pet theories, but these things for the most part go unpublished. Why? Because they go against what they want to believe.

> This thread is meant to discuss religious issues, so why won't you discuss?

Have you been living on another planet, Tom??? I have spent three threads, and more, discussing my faith, which is based, not on what organized religion says, but on what is contained directly in the Bible.

You folks ask me what I believe, and I tell you plainly straight from God's Word. I believe God's Word, so I quote it often. Some of you folks accuse me repeatedly of not having my own thoughts. That is an absolute lie. What really upsets you all, is that I agree with God's Word, and so I quote it a lot. That is what most of you don't like.

Be honest with yourselves. If I quoted from some respected politician of the past, or from some oriental sage, or from some respected scientist, or from anyone who is held in high esteem by the world, none of you would have a problem with it; but because I quote from God's Word, you guys all go bananas and make your silly accusations.

As I have already made clear a number of times before, none of you here, as far as I can tell, want to truly discuss, as if you have a sincere desire to know and understand God's Word. What you really mean when you say "discuss", is argue and debate, and try to disprove God's Word. That has become abundantly clear to everyone on our team.

I have discussed plenty here; but to date, I have not seen anyone here, other than my fellow companions in the faith, who have shown the slightest willingness to accept what God's Word states. In short, you folks keep claiming that you want to discuss, but through your actions you are really saying "Don't confuse me with the Biblical truth, because my mind is already made up".

As the old saying goes, "A man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still". You folks don't want to be convinced of anything that has to do with God and His Word. You have all shown this time and time again.

You talk about man being clever. Tom, excuse my bluntness, but anyone who accepts evolution as a fact, thus calling God's Word a lie, is not clever; he is an utter fool!

Consider this the longest post that you will ever receive from me.

> what science has discovered to be true.

B A R F ! ! !

Posted: 19 Nov 2004 10:47:10 UTC
Last modified: 19 Nov 2004 11:01:10 UTC

Now you're on your own, Hellboy.

Misfit, that is a very erroneous statement. You were never truly with us in the first place. You never engaged in battle with us here. You never let your light shine with us. And now, you are surely against us by your own words; but guess what?

Our team has never been alone; and it most certainly does not depend on you being with us, or pretending to defend us.

God's Word says:

"The LORD is on my side; I will not fear: what can man do unto me?" Psalms 118:6, KJV

" . . . for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee." Hebrews 13:5b, KJV

"And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand." John 10:28, KJV

"All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out." John 6:37, KJV

"Some trust in chariots, and some in horses: but we will remember the name of the LORD our God." Psalms 20:7, KJV


So your boasting is both false and presumptuous, Misfit. We trust in, and depend upon, the Lord. He is our Defender, our Rock, our Fortress, and our Salvation.

How sad that you have chosen to wallow in the mire with the rest of the dogs and swine. Consider this:

"For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire." 2 Peter 2:20-22, KJV

Get your heart right with God, Misfit! It's not too late!

Do you really want to be friends with the antichrists who have tried to tear us apart here? Do you honestly think that they are your friends, or that they truly care about you? If so, then consider this:

"Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God." James 4:4, KJV

So side with all of the antichrists here if you will, but it is only to your own hurt and shame!

More truth straight from God's Word for you to ponder, Misfit!

Instead of getting angry at me for being honest enough to tell you the truth, why don't you get angry at yourself for being such a poor Christian example here! You have posted over 1300 messages here during the past three plus years. How many of them seek to be a witness of your Christian faith? How many of your messages have glorified God and pointed people to the truth of His Word?

And you turn around and try to tell us how to witness here? Shame on you! Lead by example! Put up or shut up!

Posted: 19 Nov 2004 10:21:05 UTC

Misfit,

I was really mystified by the comment you had made concerning the flame thread, and really failed to understand the connection you were trying to make between it and this thread. In fact, Simeon also read your message, (and will be responding later), and was similarly mystified. As you know, I do not participate in the flame thread, and would not participate there, for obvious reasons. But, you aroused my curiosity, and so I went over there in order to try to determine what you meant in your previous response regarding copying and pasting.

After reading some of the messages there, I realized that on several occasions, you used the phrase "put up or shut up", which just so happens to be the very same phrase that I used with you in my previous response. I am now assuming that this is the connection you were trying to make.

For the record, Misfit, I did not get the idea to use that phrase from anything you had said over there. I was totally unaware of the fact that you had even used the phrase. I do not make it a habit of reading the flame thread, and consider it a complete waste of time.

The truth is, Misfit, that phrase came to me as I was responding to you, and I would dare say that it was even inspired by the Lord, because it gave you a dose of your own medicine. You kept using that phrase over there to viciously attack your perceived enemies, and all of a sudden you find someone using the very same phrase with you here in this thread.

Quite frankly, Misfit, whether you believe it or not, I think my using that phrase was a stroke of genius by the Lord. He put that thought in my mind, because I really believe that He is trying to get your attention. He is trying to wake you up, and show you how hypocritically you have been acting. You have been a Christian example to no one! Quite to the contrary! You have been an extremely poor example of our faith.

Now, in case you don't know what I am talking about . . .

I went over to the flame thread and was appalled by the four letter words and other obscenties that you so freely use over there, and then you have the nerve to dare challenge us, and criticize us and our Christian witness in this thread??? If that is your idea of being one of the "faithful", as you referred to yourself, then may God help us all! What hypocrisy!

Not only are you not letting your light shine before men, Misfit, you are acting just like another child of the world. Shame on you!

Misfit, you can get as mad as you want. You can call me every name in the book, just like you do with folks in that flame thread. But do you know what? It still doesn't change the truth one single bit. I gave you an answer straight from God's Word to help you understand that by lightening our presence here, we are not quitters, but are in fact following the New Testament example of Jesus and His First Century followers.

Because you could not accept that Scriptural truth, and because you couldn't bare to have your own hypocrisy exposed, and your own failure to let your Christian light shine, you chose to attack me.

You know, I don't agree with anything that Richard says, but he did say one thing in the flame thread which is very true about you. You know how to dish it out, Misfit, but you just can't handle it when someone turns around and does the same thing to you and puts you in your place. The way you mercilessly cut down some people over there, with such vulgar language, while bragging about your Christianity over here, is pitiful . . . and hypocritical!

You have made several jabs at our Christian presence here in these threads, and I finally just got tired of your hypocrisy, and that is why I chose to expose you. I put you in your place good and well, and you know it. I tried to help you understand by sharing God's Word with you. Instead, just like everyone else here, you resisted it, Misfit, and you went on the attack, just as you do in the other threads.

So again, before you dare to tell our team how it should operate here, why don't you start by cleaning up your own act first! Again, put up, and let your Christian light shine, or shut up!

Isn't it about time to change, repent, and return to the Lord?

Posted: 19 Nov 2004 9:21:39 UTC

If you are going to do it, at least let's be neat and orderly about it.

Now, if some of you folks here would just read them with your hearts, and accept the truths that they proclaim, we might begin to see some wonderful things begin to happen here.

You folks have been given so much powerful truth during the past several weeks, straight out of God's Word. How you can resist it so much is simply amazing.

These verses can either be "bringers of life" in your lives, or else they can be like swords which pierce your hearts and destroy you, because of your staunch rejection of the truths which they bear. It is up to each and every single one of you to decide. No one else can do that for you; not even my team and I.

1 Corinthians 15:3, KJV
1 Corinthians 2:12, KJV
1 Corinthians 7:23, KJV
1 Corinthians 9:19-23, KJV
1 John 1:7, KJV
1 John 2:2, KJV
1 John 3:23, KJV
1 John 3:5, KJV
1 John 4:10, KJV
1 John 5:13, KJV
1 Peter 2:24, KJV
1 Peter 5:4, KJV
1 Timothy 1:15, KJV
1 Timothy 2:5, KJV
1 Timothy 2:5-6, KJV
1 Timothy 6:12, KJV
2 Corinthians 10:3-5, KJV
2 Timothy 2:3-4, KJV
2 Timothy 4:7, KJV
Acts 10:43, KJV
Acts 13:46, KJV
Acts 16:31, KJV
Acts 16:31b, KJV
Acts 19:4, KJV
Acts 4:12, KJV
Corinthians 6:19-20, KJV
Ephesians 6:10-12, KJV
Galatians 1:3-4, KJV
Galatians 4:16, KJV
Hebrews 1:3, KJV
Hebrews 4:12, KJV
Hebrews 9:28, KJV
James 1:12, KJV
James 2:26, KJV
John 10:27, KJV
John 14:6b, KJV
John 1:12, KJV
John 6:29, KJV
Luke 13:3, KJV
Mark 8:38, KJV
Matthew 10:23, KJV
Matthew 20:28, KJV
Matthew 5:16, KJV
Matthew 7:6, KJV
Proverbs 16:6, KJV
Proverbs 9:10, KJV
Psalms 1:4-6, KJV
Revelation 1:5, KJV
Revelation 21:6, KJV
Revelation 22:17, KJV
Romans 10:9-10, KJV
Romans 3:24, KJV
Romans 5:17, KJV
Romans 5:8, KJV
Romans 8:32, KJV

You're more than lazy. You're a quitter. You complain that non-belivers here flame you (which by your insults I see my absence of defending you was justified) so youre giving up and refuse to discuss Christianity further. (*) If youre truely a member of the invisible church and not just the visible church you'll reread [2 Timothy 2:25,26] and try again.

Misfit, allow me to make a suggestion:

Before you try to tell me or my team how we ought to conduct ourselves here, perhaps you ought to begin by walking in our shoes first. I and my companions have spent several weeks here now boldly witnessing of our faith in Jesus Christ. We have entered the heat of the battle, and we have taken a lot of crap from a lot of people here. We have let our lights shine brightly, we have been burning embers for the Lord, and we are not ashamed of it.

On the other hand, during this same period of time, how much have you boldly proclaimed your Christian faith to others here? Where is your witness? There hasn't been any, as far as I can tell. To the contrary, you have made little jabs here and there, like this current message from you, and it reeks of hypocrisy.

Which side are you on Misfit? There are no neutrals. You can't straddle the fence in indecision, or be ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. You can't hide your light under a bushel. As Jesus Himself said:

"Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels" Mark 8:38, KJV

"Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven." Matthew 5:16, KJV

And as James also wrote:

"For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also." James 2:26, KJV

You think that we are quitters? Sir, you haven't even gotten started here yet; so with what right do you tell us how we ought to conduct the battle here???

FYI, Jesus gave us very explicit witnessing instructions in the Bible. I wrote an article about it about seven years ago called "Endtime Witnessing: Winning The Sheep And Waging The Warfare". It might do you some good to read it.

What does Jesus say to do when people are not only unreceptive to the Gospel message, (as the majority of the people are here), but who also turn against you and persecute you? Allow me to tell you:

"Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you." Matthew 7:6, KJV

"But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come." Matthew 10:23, KJV

When the Jews turned against Paul, and refused to receive the Gospel message, what did Paul do, Misfit? Again, let me tell you:

"Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles." Acts 13:46, KJV

So tell me Misfit; would you call Paul and Barnabas quitters too because they turned away from the unreceptive Jews? Would you call those who followed Jesus' wise counsel quitters? Then why do you do it with us, when we are doing the very same thing?

Misfit, unless you are blind, how can you possibly miss the fact that the majority of the people here are stubborn goats, who, like the unbelieving Jews of old, have no interest in Eternal Life? Are we supposed to continue to cast our pearls before swine? That certainly isn't what Jesus said to do, is it? The hearts of most of the people who have been participating in these three threads are not anywhere close to Salvation. Most of them don't even recognize their sinful condition. Most of them don't even believe in God. And none of them have shown the slightest sign of wanting to come to Christ.

Misfit, speaking for myself, I have been preaching the Gospel for many years. I understand the witnessing plan laid out in the pages of the New Testament. You sow the seed, you witness, you look for any potential sheep if there are any, you try to bring them to Christ, you feed them, etc. Eventually, persecution starts; and quite often, when persecution starts, just as Jesus noted above, it is often a sign to move on.

So, Misfit, our course of action here has been very Scriptural.

Don't think for a minute that we intend to disappear from these forums altogether, because that is currently not in our plans. We will remain here; but unless we notice some potential sheep amongst all of these hard-headed goats, our presence will be considerably lighter than what it has been during the first several weeks. New people are always arriving at these forums, so you just never know when a true sheep might show up.

So again, before you judge and criticize any member of this team, please consider putting your actions where your mouth is, and show us what you are made out of. Let us see you put some real actions behind your words. Let us see you doing some on-fire witnessing for the Lord here. If you aren't willing to do that, then you have absolutely no right to judge how we conduct the battle here; and you are a spectator Christian only, and not a true fellow fighter in our ranks. Rather than making jabs at us, you should be on this side of the line making jabs at our common enemy.

Show some guts, Misfit. Put up or shut up, as they say, as otherwise, you are a hypocrite.

Here's a final Scriptural thought for you to consider. It is something that Paul said after he had to rebuke the backslidden Galatians:

"Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?" Galatians 4:16, KJV

You can shoot back some nasty remark, Misfit, or else you can let the Lord convict your heart and get busy for Him. The choice is yours.

Posted: 19 Nov 2004 5:21:43 UTC

Excuses, excuses, excuses!

Laziness rewards no man.

Posted: 18 Nov 2004 2:19:55 UTC
Last modified: 19 Nov 2004 7:43:06 UTC

If some of you folks are seriously, and sincerely, interested in knowing why I personally prefer to use the AKJV, (Authorized King James Version of the Bible), allow me to suggest that you exert a little bit of personal initiative and visit our site, as the Admiral has already done, and read all that I have to say regarding the Authorized King James Version of the Bible, and other versions.

Some of you folks keep whining and whining regarding how my team and I won't answer this, and we won't answer that, when you could easily find out the answers for yourselves, simply by making it a personal project to conduct a thorough study of our web site. If you were to do that, a lot of your questions would be answered quite well, and you wouldn't even be having to ask them here.

Now, the fact that most of you have refused to do that, sends a clear message to us, and that is this: You do not possess a sincere desire to know and understand God's Word. All most of you want to do is to argue and debate, and try in your vain efforts to disprove God's Word, and call Him a liar. In short, you want to waste our time; and like the rest of you here, it just so happens that time is an important commodity to Simeon, Rocky and myself. We have other things to do in our lives besides live on this messageboard.

Speaking for myself, I have invested a lot of my time on this board, in order to share the Gospel truth with everyone. I have carefully, and clearly, laid out God's Plan of Salvation before all of you. I have presented you with the facts straight from God's Word, verse by verse. How has the Gospel Message been met here? With ridicule, sarcasm, mockery, vulgarity and unbelief. That's how!

In spite of that, some of you have the audacity to turn around, and whine and complain because we have not taken the time to answer every single one of your questions.

Let me ask you all something: Why should we?

The vast majority of you here have shown yourselves to be proud, stubborn, rebellious goats; so why in the world should we continue to invest so much of our time answering your questions, when your motives are far from pure? As more than one person has already stated quite clearly, many of you have no desire to accept Christ or to convert to the Christian faith. You are so willfully blind to your sinful, fallen condition, that you either don't realize, or purposely ignore, your need for Forgiveness and Salvation through Jesus Christ. You only want to argue, and string us along, trying to irk and upset us. We're not stupid! Your tactics have been infantile at best.

So, if any of you sincerely want to understand what our faith is really all about, instead of whining that we don't answer all of your questions, get off of your lazy haunches, visit our web site, and do a bit of serious reading.

As I said, if you are not willing to do that, then you have pretty much exposed where your true motives lie; and that is why my team and I have cut back on our responses here. You folks have heard the message; and most of you have not only rebelled against it, but you have turned on us as well, just as Jesus said you would do. He had you figured out a long time ago, because people don't change:

"Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you." Matthew 7:6, KJV

Now, concerning the KJV issue, click on the image below if you really want an answer:

Posted: 17 Nov 2004 2:50:38 UTC

If anyone here is seriously, and sincerely, interested in knowing my views concerning the Antichrist, then as I have stated before in other threads, you are simply going to have to visit our web site, and read all of the information I have provided there. If you read it all carefully, and don't just lazily skim through it, you will gain a very clear picture of my current understanding regarding this deceptive spiritual leader.

Just click on the image below in order to be taken directly to the appropriate section of our web site.

Posted: 16 Nov 2004 4:34:30 UTC

And because Jesus has already paid the full price for our Redemption/Salvation . . .

All We Must Do Is Repent, Believe And Receive :

"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:" John 1:12, KJV

"Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent." John 6:29, KJV

"To him [Jesus] give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins." Acts 10:43, KJV

"And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." Acts 16:31, KJV

"Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus." Acts 19:4, KJV

"For if by one man's offence -- [Adam's] -- death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)" Romans 5:17, KJV

"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." Romans 10:9-10, KJV

"That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith." Galatians 3:14, KJV

"And for this cause he [Jesus] is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance." Hebrews 9:15, KJV

"Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him." James 1:12, KJV

"And when the chief Shepherd [Jesus] shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away." 1 Peter 5:4, KJV

"And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment." 1 John 3:23, KJV

"These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God." 1 John 5:13, KJV

Again, the facts, and only the facts, for he who has an ear to hear, or an eye to read.

Salvation is free through faith in Jesus Christ, because He has already paid the full price for us, through His own Death on the Cross. His Death was the Final Atonement for sin. Yet sadly, because of pride, stubbornness and rebellion, foolish men reject the Gift which God so freely offers us.

Salvation is free:

"Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:" Romans 3:24, KJV

"He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?" Romans 8:32, KJV

"Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God." 1 Corinthians 2:12, KJV

"And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely." Revelation 21:6, KJV

"And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely." Revelation 22:17, KJV

Jesus paid the full price for our Redemption:

"Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many." Matthew 20:28, KJV

"Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men." 1 Corinthians 7:23, KJV

"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time." 1 Timothy 2:5-6, KJV

"What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's." 1 Corinthians 6:19-20, KJV

Jesus bore our sins and delivered us from the same:

"But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." Romans 5:8, KJV

"For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;" 1 Corinthians 15:3, KJV

"Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ, Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:" Galatians 1:3-4, KJV

"This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief." 1 Timothy 1:15, KJV

"Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;" Hebrews 1:3, KJV

"So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation." Hebrews 9:28, KJV

"Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed." 1 Peter 2:24, KJV

"But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin." 1 John 1:7, KJV

"And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world." 1 John 2:2, KJV

"And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin." 1 John 3:5, KJV

"Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins." 1 John 4:10, KJV

"And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood," Revelation 1:5, KJV

The above are the Scriptural facts for he who has an ear to hear.

Hello Timmy,

That is a good name. It is from the Greek "Timotheos", which means "honoring God. In the New Testament, as you may already know, Timothy was a very dear spiritual son of the Apostle Paul, and one of his close travelling companions during his various missionary journeys throughout Asia Minor and the Mediterranean coast.

Concerning your comments, you wrote:

> W.W. if your are truly stand by the absolute words of the Bible then why
> are you searching for E.T.?

> It seems that you have a double standard. (Scientifically speaking)

Timmy, as it should be clear to you by now, my primary purpose for participating in the SETI@home project is not because I am so interested in finding extraterrestrial life. If you wish to fully understand why I, and my fellow companions in labor, have made our Christian presence known here, then I invite you to please visit our "Christian Crunchers Club" web site, by clicking on the CCC signature banner below. Our web site makes perfectly clear my primary motivation for creating the CCC team.

As the Apostle Paul once wisely wrote:

"For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more. And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law. To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. And this I do for the gospel’s sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you." 1 Corinthians 9:19-23, KJV

In short, we have infiltrated the SETI@home ranks, for the sake of the furtherance of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Does it surprise you that I choose to use the word "infiltrated"? It should not; after all, the New Testament makes it very plain that we Christians are involved in spiritual warfare, and that we are soldiers in the Army of Jesus Christ. As such, we are to endure hardness as good soldiers of Jesus Christ, and we are to fight the good fight of faith.

In any war or battle, there is an enemy, and in this case, the enemy is Satan; and his weapons are the lies, doubts, deceptions, confusion, false accusations, etc., which he craftily uses to ensnare the souls of men, and many are indeed ensnared by him, as this messageboard clearly demonstrates.

The primary weapon of our warfare in this great battle of the spirit, is the Sword of the Spirit; that is, the Word of God. That is why I quote it so often here, because it is powerful, and to the point. In essence, what is occurring here is a war of words and ideas. It is the truth of God's Word, versus the lies of Satan, as espoused by the many atheists who populate the SETI@home project, and more particularly, the message threads in which I have become involved.

To help you to better understand everything I have just stated, please consider the following verses, as they will make it very clear to you what this is really all about, and why I have said the things that I have said:

"For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;" 2 Corinthians 10:3-5, KJV

"Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses." 1 Timothy 6:12, KJV

"Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ. No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier." 2 Timothy 2:3-4, KJV

"I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:" 2 Timothy 4:7, KJV

"Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." Ephesians 6:10-12, KJV

"For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." Hebrews 4:12, KJV

> Now, I am not against you but after reading your writings I feel it
> would chase a person away from God instead of toward him.

Timmy, I encourage you study more closely the four Gospels, and Jesus' own witnessing style and techniques. As I have explained before, and as Jesus made clear by His own example in the Gospels, how we approach people with the Gospel depends a lot on where they are at spiritually.

To those who were repentant, and receptive to His message, Jesus showed the loving, forgiving face of a gentle lamb; while to those who rejected His message, He clearly showed the face of a lion.

This current message to you is a clear example of this. I have taken the time to clearly explain to you the things which you have desired to understand. It has not gone by unnoticed by me that, up until now, you have for the most part refrained from participating in this thread, and have preferred instead to remain on the sidelines, learning what you can. I commend you for this.

On the other hand, there are a handful of others here who have been participating in this thread since the very beginning, who have clearly shown by their words, that they are very much against God and His Word. Not only are they against God and His Word, but they have openly mocked God and His Word; they have ridiculed the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ, and they have rejected His servants; and some of this they have done in a most vulgar manner.

Timmy, Jesus Himself dealt with such people in a very direct, harsh manner. He did not come to them dripping with love and honey. Need I remind you of the scene in the temple with a whip? Need I remind you that Jesus referred to the unbelieving Jewish religious elders as hypocrites, blind leaders of the blind, the children of hell, the children of the devil, serpents, vipers, murderers and of the synagogue of Satan?

This is all in your Bible, Timmy, if you will take the time to read it.

Timmy, Jesus was not just some namby pamby blonde-haired, blue-eyed wimp. He was a radical, and a Warrior of the Spirit; and as we see in the Book of Revelation, when He returns, it will also be to do battle against those who oppose Him and His Father's reign.

In the New Testament, to those who refused to repent of their unbelief, Jesus said:

"I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish." Luke 13:3, KJV

So Jesus did not beat around the bush, Timmy, when it came to the scoffers and the unbelievers. He gave it to them straight, just as you have seen me do here in these threads.

So again, Timmy, I follow the example of my Lord and Savior. I will demonstrate love and patience to those who show a sincere hunger and thirst for knowing and understanding the Word of God.

Be honest with yourself, Timmy. Can you honestly tell me that you have seen very many people like that here?

Jesus said:

"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:" John 10:27, KJV

God's true sheep listen and obey when they hear the voice of the Shepherd calling them. They do not butt, butt, butt like old stubborn, rebellious goats, Timmy.

One final point, Timmy, people who are in rebellion against God cannot be driven away by my words, because they have already made their own choice to be in rebellion against Him. What such folks really need is the fear of God to drive them back to Him. Again, please read your Bible, because it is all there. I am saying nothing new.

Consider this:

"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding." Proverbs 9:10, KJV

"By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the LORD men depart from evil." Proverbs 16:6, KJV

In His Mercy, God is giving the participants of these threads the truth of His Word, but many of them have foolishly rebelled against it. They have no fear of God, Timmy.

That's the truth of the Gospel, Timmy. Read your Bible and check it out for yourself. Everything I have just stated is Scriptural.

Are you a sheep, Timmy, or a goat? I trust the former.

Posted: 15 Nov 2004 22:21:28 UTC

Contrary to their erroneous doctrines, the Roman Catholic Church, does not hold, and never has held, a monopoly on Salvation. This is something which I have thoroughly, and strongly, exposed in my articles.

Again, Salvation only comes through Jesus Christ. Belief in Jesus Christ is not Catholic, or Protestant, or Mormon, or Jehovah's Witnesses, or any other brand of modern Christianity. Faith in Jesus Christ does not need a label. It is not a bar of soap. Faith in Jesus Christ stands on its own, and does not need organized religion to support or uphold it. Faith in Jesus Christ as one's Lord and Savior is a personal decision.

Only God controls Salvation, through the Person of His Son, Jesus Christ.

Salvation only comes through Jesus Christ, and any religion which claims to have a special hold on Salvation, such as the RCC, is lying. Salvation is free to all men everywhere, through faith in Jesus Christ.

Here again is the Scriptural truth. Jesus said:

". . . I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6b, KJV

His First Century followers said:

"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name [other than Jesus] under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." Acts 4:12, KJV

The Apostle Paul wrote:

"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;" 1 Timothy 2:5, KJV

Jesus is the Only Way to Salvation.

Period.

We need Jesus; and not the Roman Catholic Church, or any other manipulative organized religion. How many more times do I need to say this?

I am not pro-organized religion. I am only pro-Jesus Christ.

Organized religion has failed miserably, and continues to fail, but Jesus Christ never fails.

The First Century Apostles and Disciples did not preach "Come to our church"; they preached:

". . . Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved . . ." Acts 16:31b, KJV

There is a big difference.

(note... there were two posts by wordweaver that I was unable to retrieve...)

from the thread... ‘Your Opion on Planetary Bodies’

Misfit,

If you think that I am going to waste my time in an infantile, tit-for-tat, legalistic argument with you, as you obviously like to do in the FOTD thread, you are seriously mistaken, and had better think again. I have more important things to do with my time. Go try to suck someone else into one of your verbal mud slings, as I am really not interested.

And BTW, you and your friends can give my posts as many negative ratings as you want. You may eventually succeed in having them deleted, or at least hidden by a link, (which in either case is intentional censorship -- so much for your supposed belief in free speech without limits!), but it doesn't change the fact that you have all heard the Scriptural truth here, and God will someday hold you all accountable for it.

And one more thing: thanks again for showing your true colors. You are obviously still on the other side of the tracks in spite of what I shared with you earlier about being a Christian witness here. It seems that you have more of an interest in worldly things like the FOTF and BOTD threads. It's your choice, but at least we clearly know where you stand. As the Apostle Paul wrote:

"Redeeming the time, because the days are evil." Ephesians 5:16, KJV

Consider my discussion with you over.

you need to respect all the protections of the 1st amendment. Not just Freedom of Religion but also Freedom of Speech.

Excuse me, but I have no problem with the freedom of speech, as long as people exercise it in a responsible, mature manner. As I have pointed out before, many people on the Internet, and elsewhere, go way beyond the socially-accepted limits. Furthermore, just because someone has the right to say something, does not mean that I have to agree with them; and if I don't agree with them, then I will say so. That is also my right. Freedom of speech works both ways.

That depends on the topic of the thread. Current topic is "Your Opion on Planetary Bodies", and thread hijacks are typically unwelcome on any forum. If you think your response would take the thread way off topic (ex. religion) then its probably best to put a link to a different thread (ex. religion) and continue your response there.

Excuse me, but I reserve the right to respond to people in the same thread where they respond to me. Furthermore, I have not hijacked this thread, or any other thread for that matter. If you take the time to read this thread from the start, you will easily see that quite a few different people have engaged in conversation with me on this topic. They have expressed their opinions, and I have expressed mine, albeit from different perspectives. My views from a Christian perspective are no less valid than those from a scientific perspective. We both have the right to post here. No one else here, until Timmy, made any comment suggesting that my views were not welcomed here, even if they don't agree with them. And even if some people don't like my views, tough!

Please stop trying to play moderator here, as you aren't one. What applies to Timmy, applies to you as well. If you don't like or agree with what I post, then simply don't read it or respond to it. Nobody is twisting your arm.

> Now why duz all these topics turn to religion?

> Please keep religion in the religion threads. I am sorry but I find being
> constently preached at clouds the issues and I skip reading them.


Timmy, two points:

1. If people here are going to attack our Christian faith, as they have done, and quite viciously and vulgarly at that, then we Christians are perfectly within our right to defend it.

2. You need to understand that not everyone embraces the world view, or secular view. The perspective of a Christian is different, or at least it is supposed to be different. As God-fearing, Bible-believing Christians, we are supposed to view everything through the lens of God's Word. We are supposed to evaluate the truthfulness of the things we hear and see according to the standard of God's Word, because it is the Constitution of our Kingdom. It doesn't matter whether we are discussing politics, science, economics, religion, etc.; God's Word is the standard by which we Christians are supposed to measure all things. God and His Word are an integral part of the Christian's life. There is no separating our faith from other things. We must always be mindful of what God's Word says regarding any given subject. Given the public nature of this messageboard, it is only natural to expect that different perspectives will be presented here, including the Christian perspective. If the Christian perspective is not allowed here, then the Bill of Rights has just been thrown out the door.

You are not obligated to read, or to respond to, any post here made by myself, or any other Christian, if you don't want to; but neither do you have the right to prohibit us from participating on this board, where and when we want to.

Finally, after all this ascii, something in common...

This is not the first time that I have stated my non-affiliation with organized religion.

I think a number of people here purposely overlook this fact, because that way, they can lump me in with everyone else, (organized religion, that is), and continue to paint with a broad brush as they have been doing. For them to accept that I am different, and don't necessarily agree with everything which is espoused by organized religion, regardless of the denomination, is a factor which they don't know how to deal with.

The truth is, as I have already made clear more than once, I am honest enough to fully recognize the many failures and injustices which have been committed in the name of God by some branches of organized religion. That is one of the primary reasons why I have remained outside of it all for many years now.

As I have said before, a lot of people here really need to understand that in some regards, in many ways in fact, organized religion does not truly, or accurately reflect God, or the truths of His Word. These people try to use the failures and atrocities committed by organized religion as an excuse to justify their rebellion against, and unbelief in, God, and that is just plain wrong, and it certainly doesn't hold water with God. He simply will not accept the argument "Well, I don't believe in You because of what organized religion has done in Your Name". Regardless of what organized religion has done, that doesn't change God or the truth of His Word one bit.

WordWeaver wrote previously:

> And yes, I do understand the cold nature of science, but to place God under
> a microscope is pure folly in my view. :)

To which NeoAmsterdam replied:

> You're absolutely right! We should be using a telescope! 0:-)

I have a much better idea. How about trying to use your heart?

"Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me." Revelation 3:20, KJV

Hello Again NeoAmsterdam,

You wrote:

> Otherwise, the site looks really good! Extra points on the rollover
> buttons! :-)

Thank-you for the compliments. I appreciate it. Rollovers? Oh, you must be talking about the JavaScript buttons on the CCC team site, right?

Well, call me nuts, but it is going on 2:00 am Saturday here, and I just finished doing some more site-wide changes to both the messageboard, as well as to the regular CCC team site. I got this sudden inspiration to change our team name for a third time. First it was Curious Christians. Then it was Crunching Christians. Now we, (meaning me, myself and I for the time being until we get more members) are the Christian Crunchers Club. It has a nice ring to it. :)

So, I had to go and change a lot of text, edit some of my images, etc. . . . but most of it is now done. I may tinker a bit more with it, but it is for the most part done . . . unless those emoticons start bugging me. :)

B A C K O N T O P I C N O W

Getting back on topic a bit . . . just a little though, because I need to get to bed, because I need to be up in less than four hours . . .

I wrote previously:

. . . until the Hubble Space Telescope was launched, images of Pluto and its small moon Charon were nothing more than blurry, irregular-shaped globs of light.

To which you added:

Regrettably, they still are. You can't get a decent photo of Pluto anywhere!

You may have already seen this, but I downloaded an image of Pluto from a particular website a few days ago, (can't remember where now), and it is the clearest image of Pluto I have seen to date. You can't make out surface features by any means, but at least you can see that it is a luminescent sphere.

Oh wait! Guess what? I installed that free Safari add-on from VT, so my URL's are saved now in the Get Info box. God bless that guy for making that add-on! I don't know why Apple removed that feature from Safari. I prefer to have it there . . . for occasions just like this one.

Hmmm . . . hmmm . . . tinker . . . tinker . . . putter . . . putter . . .

Ah, yes!!!

Here is the URL. This image was taken by Hubble:

http://www.klx.com/clyde/images/plutohst.jpg

And here is a mediocre one of Pluto and Charon:

http://science.nasa.gov/images/pluto_charon_med.jpg

You know, I have a set of large images of all of the planets that The Planetary Society sent me a number of years ago when I donated; and in them, Pluto and Charon look just like I described earlier . . . just two blurry blobs of light, and not much more. The above first image is probably the best you will find . . . well, maybe. :)

I'll comment more later on the other remarks made by you and others. I really need to sleep a few hours before my daughter wakes me up. We have to get up every single day at 5:30 am because she is diabetic, and needs to do her first blood test and insulin injection. This has been our daily routine since she turned 11 three years ago. She gives herself her own injections because I am a wimp! I only do it when I have to . . . like when she weirds out on me due to hypoglycemia. It's not nice at all!

Take care. I'll be writing more soon.

Hello Again NeoAmsterdam,

I wrote previously:

> I suspect though, that you may be saying that you use a very large monitor,
> and so the end of the gradient on the right side of your screen is slamming
> into the contrasting edge of the left side of the gradient.

To which you responded:

> Precisely.

Okay, I suspected as much, so I fixed that hours ago.

I wrote previously:

> As to the white lettering, I'll have a look at that. I did make some of it
> bold already, but I may have missed it in a few places.

To which you added:

> At least it wasn't as bad as this one kid's site I saw in a hypermedia course.
> His idea of good design included

Hello Flashdrive and NeoAmsterdam,

I'm sorry that I haven't been able to respond to your posts yet, but I have been very busy today working on redesigning our new SETI@home Team Page, as well as designing a messageboard to accompany it. I hope to respond to both of your posts within the next few days, and possibly sooner, depending on how long it takes me to complete these projects I started today, so I ask you to please be patient until then.

The Team Page isn't quite done yet, but the messageboard is for the most part, although I may still change the post icons, as well as the emoticons. I am not sure yet. I am using a free messageboard CGI called SimpleForum, so the board doesn't have a lot of heavy-duty features like other messageboard CGI's I have used in the past, such as Ikonboard; but I have given it a very SETI@home color theme, which will match the Team Page when it is finally done.

Anyway, if either of you, or anyone else for that matter, would like to take a peek, and offer an opinion, you can view it here:

http://www.endtimeprophecy.org/cgi-bin/SETIboard/simpleforum.cgi

Oh, as you will see, I decided to change the name of our new team to "Crunching Christians" instead of "Curious Christians". I think the new name has more of a rhyming ring to it. I even find it a bit humorous. :)

Now, I just need to get some folks to join our team. Considering that there are many thousands of number crunchers here, surely there must be other Christians besides myself involved in the SETI@home project . . . or did you guys scare them all away? :)

"And they send unto him certain of the Pharisees and of the Herodians, to catch him in his words." Mark 12:13, KJV

If god exists, he is not perfect. The bible proves this point.

Oh, He exists alright. Only fools deny that:

". . . The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good."Psalms 14:1b, KJV

You are obviously not perfect in your understanding of the Bible, (as none of us are), as otherwise, you would not have made such a statement.

Hmmm . . . Let's see. We really should get back on topic, so . . .

Mars, the god of war.

Hey!

Guess what?

God is also at war against sin, rebellion and unbelief! This is so clear throughout the Bible.

In fact, the Bible even says:

"The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name." Exodus 15:3, KJV

Well, He is certainly more powerful than that old false Roman god of war! In fact, He rules the Universe!

Of course, He does have this problem with these microbial humans who think that they know more than Him, and that they are greater than Him, and who rebel against Him.

But, He'll deal with those dangerous microbes in His time.

There . . . back on topic again! :)

> W.W. could you kindly discuss Mars in this thread,

Why are you being such a hypocrite by singling me out???

If people attack me, or ask me questions, I will respond, whether you, or anyone else, likes it or not.

Now, the Admiral specifically asked me, and I quote:

But how come he seems to love so few of us?

So, why don't you ask the Admiral to get back on topic?

I suppose all of the Guido porta-potty jokes are on-topic as well, yet I don't see you telling everyone who has participated in that to get back on topic either!

Maybe you can't, because you were involved in that discussion yourself, Timmy, and even posted a picture!

Hypocrite!

So get back on topic, Timmy!

But how come he seems to love so few of us?


Admiral, you continue to speak like an old fool!

How can you even dare ask such a question, when He offered the life of His own dear Son, for your sins, as well as mine! You are so ungrateful!

As it is written:

"Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he [Jesus] laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren." 1 John 3:16, KJV

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16, KJV

"We love him, because he first loved us." 1 John 4:19, KJV

The true "threat" from Mars, depending on your point of view, is that regardless of whether or not some form of stable, semi-permanent aqueous environment may have existed there in the distant past, which may possibly have supported some elemental or even complex form of life, based upon the mounting evidence, it now appears to be a dry, dead planet for the most part. Who knows, maybe something will yet be found at the polar ice caps, or at some other locale, but it will probably be very simplistic in nature. For the most part then, Mars is more or less like a rust ball in space you might say.

If this indeed proves to be the case, as I suspect that it will in the end, then for me personally, this again points to our uniqueness here on the Planet Earth. God wrought a miracle here, the miracle of abundant life; and that is we ourselves, and the plethora of other life forms which dwell here. In His Love, He brought together just the right conditions to make it all possible. Did He do it elsewhere as well? That is a key question which I will be addressing in my yet-to-be-released new five-part, (maybe six-part), series.

Stay tuned . . .